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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

I studied business administration at a German tier 1 university in my bachelor's degree and I want to focus more on tech and entrepreneurship in my master's degree. That is why I am particularly interested in the following programs in Europe:

  • TUM: M.Sc. Master in Management & Technology
  • TUM & HEC: Master in Management & Innovation
  • ETH: Master Management, Technology, and Economics
  • WHU: Master in Entrepreneurship

At the moment I prefer either the pure master’s degree at TUM or the double degree with TUM & HEC, because at TUM I have a lot of freedom in the direction of more tech and the entrepreneurship focus of TUM and the scene in Munich appeals to me. I think the ETH is technically a bit better than the TUM, but the program there is not as renowned and at the same time the ETH is not as strong as the TUM when it comes to start-ups (or business administration in general). WHU is cool for start-ups, but I lack the tech focus there and I am not that into rocket start-ups, I want more towards high-tech.

Are there people here who have experience with the programs (especially ETH and TUM) and what is the direction of start-ups at universities / in the cities? Please no tail comparison in terms of university ...

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

You just have to ask yourself what a Masters is for and what you can still learn there.

The TUM Master will not technically bring you to the level that you can do anything with high-tech (as you call it).
All programs are primarily good for networking and changing your perspective. If you really want to learn something technically then do a second bachelor's degree

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

I would also be interested in general - maybe, to add to your list, with reference to the "Master of Business Innovation" at the HSG.

PS: As far as I know, the aforementioned course at ETH is mainly aimed at students from Ing. or NaWi courses and teaches BW-technically basics that you should already be familiar with from your bachelor's degree.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

Do not see any advantage at WHU. If technical, then TUM.
Among the major universities in Germany, TUM achieved first place in Germany for the start-up radar.

WHU, on the other hand, has not been able to build up anything sustainable alongside a few rocket companies that have not yet brought a positive EVA and was not in first place even among the small universities in Germany.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

None of the universities will bring you to a level that will enable you to start a high-tech start-up. The exchange with the pure tech faculties is relatively poor, because such mixed programs are mostly ridiculed there. Preferably still TUM.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

If you want to set up a business as a business graduate, there is no better university in DE than WHU. There you will get the network and the skills.

If you want technical reasons, then do a second bachelor's degree. Personally, I don't think much of the mixing programs

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 15, 2019:

None of the universities will bring you to a level that will enable you to start a high-tech start-up. The exchange with the pure tech faculties is relatively poor, because such mixed programs are mostly ridiculed there. Preferably still TUM.

No, it's about getting to know people and building an understanding of tech. I don't want to be a techie.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 16, 2019:

If you want to start a business as a business graduate, there is no better university in DE than WHU. There you will get the network and the skills.

If you want technical reasons, then do a second bachelor's degree. Personally, I don't think much of the mixing programs

This is bullshit sorry. At WHU, all start-ups are rocket-like: Little technical innovation, a lot of marketing and sales. The TUM, on the other hand, brings out a large number of technical start-ups and here too you need a business founder with an understanding of tech, which almost no WHUer brings with him. Take a look at Personio (2x TUM-BWL, Informatik, Medieninformatik founder) - exactly this combination is simply not possible at pure business schools (HSG / WHU).

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

You have already analyzed it correctly: TUM suits you best. ETH if you want to do research, TUM for startups. I would not recommend WHU / HSG for your wishes / requirements, as there is very little going on in the field of high-tech, but good if you are interested in starting a business. Unfortunately there is a lack of technical faculties / people there.

Maybe CDTM is something for you as well, one reads everywhere recently in connection with Susanne Klatten's entrepreneurship start-up center. I know a few people there who are very satisfied.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 15, 2019:

None of the universities will bring you to a level that will enable you to start a high-tech start-up. The exchange with the pure tech faculties is relatively poor, because such mixed programs are mostly ridiculed there. Preferably still TUM.

In a tech start-up you also need someone to take care of the business administration side. And there are people who have at least a technical understanding by far better than pure business graduates. By the way, there are plenty of examples of TUM business students as co-founders of tech startups (Personio, Kinexon ...).

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 15, 2019:

You just have to ask yourself what a Masters is for and what you can still learn there.

The TUM Master will not technically bring you to the level that you can do anything with high-tech (as you call it).
All programs are primarily good for networking and changing your perspective. If you really want to learn something technically then do a second bachelor's degree

Agree that any named master does not make you a nuclear physicist all at once. However, at TUM / ETH you will be given the opportunity to acquire technical skills and at the same time to build up a very good network in the tech scene. WHU / HSH, on the other hand, you will have lab subjects in innovation and your network consists of other business students, most of whom want to work in consulting / banking. It is not without reason that the HSG / HEC cooperate with the TUM in their Innovation MBAs / Masters ...

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

Go to TUM or ETH, both are super renowned European universities. TUM possibly a little better in terms of entrepreneurship / business administration.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 19, 2019:

Go to TUM or ETH, both are super renowned European universities. TUM possibly a little better in terms of entrepreneurship / business administration.

Are you seriously comparing a global top 10 university with a university that doesn't know a pig abroad and is crawling towards rank 50? ETH is a class better and more renowned than TUM.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 19, 2019:

Go to TUM or ETH, both are super renowned European universities. TUM possibly a little better in terms of entrepreneurship / business administration.

Are you seriously comparing a global top 10 university with a university that doesn't know a pig abroad and is crawling towards rank 50? ETH is a class better and more renowned than TUM.

I don't understand either.
ETH belongs to the HYPSM, Chicago, Oxbridge group. What is TUM?

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 19, 2019:

WiWi Gast wrote on April 19, 2019:

Go to TUM or ETH, both are super renowned European universities. TUM possibly a little better in terms of entrepreneurship / business administration.

Are you seriously comparing a global top 10 university with a university that doesn't know a pig abroad and is crawling towards rank 50? ETH is a class better and more renowned than TUM.

He said that both are “super renowned” universities and not TUM = ETH. TUM is also known abroad and is the best-ranked German (technical) university. ETH is of course a little better, no one has said otherwise.

For entrepreneurship, however, I would also choose TUM, because ETH doesn't really value it and TUM is pushing it fully (officially I think it's called TUM - The Entrepreneurial University).

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 19, 2019:

WiWi Gast wrote on April 19, 2019:

Go to TUM or ETH, both are super renowned European universities. TUM possibly a little better in terms of entrepreneurship / business administration.

Are you seriously comparing a global top 10 university with a university that doesn't know a pig abroad and is crawling towards rank 50? ETH is a class better and more renowned than TUM.

I don't understand either.
ETH belongs to the HYPSM, Chicago, Oxbridge group. What is TUM?

Probably the best German university with a lot of drive in general and especially in the disciplines that interest the TE. But before this becomes a tail-end comparison again: Nobody doubts that ETH is above TUM in terms of reputation. In some subjects, such as Computer Science, the TUM is also Top 10-20 ;-)

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

Yeah, everyone comes down again. Many people abroad do not know the ETH either, despite its good ranking positions. In addition - just like Oxbridge, HMSC, the university is not enough -> just the average v. QS, THE and Shanghai take and see what comes out.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 19, 2019:

Yeah, everyone comes down again. Many people abroad do not know the ETH either, despite its good ranking positions. In addition - just like Oxbridge, HMSC, the university is not enough -> just the average v. Take QS, THE and Shanghai and see what comes out.

People here always feel trodden on the tie, don't worry. Some people in particular do not allow TUM to be successful here, just read the old threads ...

@TE: You are definitely not doing anything wrong with TUM / ETH and opening up a lot of doors and networks that are more likely to remain closed to you at a pure business school.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

For tech startups, clearly TUM. ETH is great if you like research.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 20, 2019:

For tech startups, clearly TUM. ETH is great if you like research.

If I would agree, especially since the master’s degree at ETH that you have chosen, I don’t think that’s what you have in mind. Go to TUM, it seems to be very popular at the moment and the development speaks for itself.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 14, 2019:

I studied business administration at a German tier 1 university in my bachelor's degree and I want to focus more on tech and entrepreneurship in my master's degree. That is why I am particularly interested in the following programs in Europe:

  • TUM: M.Sc. Master in Management & Technology
  • TUM & HEC: Master in Management & Innovation
  • ETH: Master Management, Technology, and Economics
  • WHU: Master in Entrepreneurship

At the moment I prefer either the pure master’s degree at TUM or the double degree with TUM & HEC, because at TUM I have a lot of freedom in the direction of more tech and the entrepreneurship focus of TUM and the scene in Munich appeals to me. I think the ETH is technically a bit better than the TUM, but the program there is not as renowned and at the same time the ETH is not as strong as the TUM when it comes to start-ups (or business administration in general). WHU is cool for start-ups, but I lack the tech focus there and I am not that into rocket start-ups, I want more towards high-tech.

Are there people here who have experience with the programs (especially ETH and TUM) and what is the direction of start-ups at universities / in the cities? Please no tail comparison in terms of university ...

Have you looked at the one-year IT programs, for example at the Imperial? Could possibly also be something for you, since the reputation is comparable and technical university. However, there is probably not as much going on at the Imperial when it comes to start-ups as at the TUM.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 24th, 2019:

WiWi Gast wrote on April 14, 2019:

I studied business administration at a German tier 1 university in my bachelor's degree and want to focus more on tech or entrepreneurship in my master's degree. That is why I am particularly interested in the following programs in Europe:

  • TUM: M.Sc. Master in Management & Technology
  • TUM & HEC: Master in Management & Innovation
  • ETH: Master Management, Technology, and Economics
  • WHU: Master in Entrepreneurship

At the moment I prefer either the pure master’s degree at TUM or the double degree with TUM & HEC, because at TUM I have a lot of freedom in the direction of more tech and the entrepreneurship focus of TUM and the scene in Munich appeals to me. I think the ETH is technically a bit better than the TUM, but the program there is not as renowned and at the same time the ETH is not as strong as the TUM in terms of start-ups (or business administration in general). WHU is cool for start-ups, but I lack the tech focus there and I am not that into rocket start-ups, I want more towards high-tech.

Are there people here who have experience with the programs (especially ETH and TUM) and what is the direction of start-ups at universities / in the cities? Please no tail comparison in terms of university ...

Have you looked at the one-year IT programs, for example at the Imperial? Could possibly also be something for you, since the reputation is comparable and technical university. However, there is probably not as much going on at the Imperial when it comes to start-ups as at the TUM.

comparable in terms of reputation? so it's getting really ridiculous with the tum hype. Of course, it is among the best German universities, but the imperial is among the top 10 worldwide in almost all rankings; Not comparable!

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 24th, 2019:

I studied business administration at a German tier 1 university in my bachelor's degree and I want to focus more on tech and entrepreneurship in my master's degree. That is why I am particularly interested in the following programs in Europe:

  • TUM: M.Sc. Master in Management & Technology
  • TUM & HEC: Master in Management & Innovation
  • ETH: Master Management, Technology, and Economics
  • WHU: Master in Entrepreneurship

At the moment I prefer either the pure master’s degree at TUM or the double degree with TUM & HEC, because at TUM I have a lot of freedom in the direction of more tech and the entrepreneurship focus of TUM and the scene in Munich appeals to me. I think the ETH is technically a bit better than the TUM, but the program there is not as renowned and at the same time the ETH is not as strong as the TUM when it comes to start-ups (or business administration in general). WHU is cool for start-ups, but I lack the tech focus there and I am not that into rocket start-ups, I want more towards high-tech.

Are there people here who have experience with the programs (especially ETH and TUM) and what is the direction of start-ups at universities / in the cities? Please no tail comparison in terms of university ...

Have you looked at the one-year IT programs, for example at the Imperial? Could possibly also be something for you, since the reputation is comparable and technical university. However, there is probably not as much going on at the Imperial when it comes to start-ups as at TUM.

comparable in terms of reputation? So it's getting really ridiculous with the tum hype. Of course, it is among the best German universities, but the imperial is among the top 10 worldwide in almost all rankings; Not comparable!

Definitely in Germany: The imperial does not have the reputation of Oxford or Cambridge, but is known as a very good university. It may well be different abroad.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 24th, 2019:

I studied business administration at a German tier 1 university in my bachelor's degree and want to focus more on tech and entrepreneurship in my master's degree. That is why I am particularly interested in the following programs in Europe:

  • TUM: M.Sc. Master in Management & Technology
  • TUM & HEC: Master in Management & Innovation
  • ETH: Master Management, Technology, and Economics
  • WHU: Master in Entrepreneurship

At the moment I prefer either the pure master’s degree at TUM or the double degree with TUM & HEC, because at TUM I have a lot of freedom in the direction of more tech and the entrepreneurship focus of TUM and the scene in Munich appeals to me. I think the ETH is technically a bit better than the TUM, but the program there is not as renowned and at the same time the ETH is not as strong as the TUM when it comes to start-ups (or business administration in general).WHU is cool for start-ups, but I lack the tech focus there and I am not that into rocket start-ups, I want more towards high-tech.

Are there people here who have experience with the programs (especially ETH and TUM) and what is the direction of start-ups at universities / in the cities? Please no tail comparison in terms of university ...

Have you looked at the one-year IT programs, for example at the Imperial? Could possibly also be something for you, since the reputation is comparable and technical university. However, there is probably not as much going on at the Imperial when it comes to start-ups as at TUM.

comparable in terms of reputation? So it's getting really ridiculous with the tum hype. Of course, it is among the best German universities, but the imperial is among the top 10 worldwide in almost all rankings; Not comparable!

A few months ago, Imperial / TUM announced a far-reaching flagship partnership. I don't think the Imperial would ally itself with a significantly worse university ;-)

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

THE World Ranking 2019: Imperial 9th ​​place, TUM 44th place
QS World Ranking 2019: Imperial 8th place, TUM 61st place

In the years before that, the Imperial was consistently among the top 10, partly also among the top 5. In terms of reputation, TUM clearly ranks well behind Imperial. Nobody said that TUM was technically bad. Of course, things can also go uphill with TUM in the future, but you also have to draw boundaries somewhere with all the hype. It is also clear that the Imperial cannot achieve 100% the level of Oxford and Cambridge as a whole.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 25, 2019:

THE World Ranking 2019: Imperial 9th ​​place, TUM 44th place
QS World Ranking 2019: Imperial 8th place, TUM 61st place

In the years before that, the Imperial was consistently among the top 10, partly also among the top 5. In terms of reputation, TUM clearly ranks well behind Imperial. Nobody said that TUM was technically bad. Of course, things can still go uphill with TUM in the future, but you also have to draw boundaries somewhere with all the hype. It is also clear that the Imperial cannot achieve 100% the level of Oxford and Cambridge as a whole.

And nobody else said anything else? TUM is considered the best German (technical) university, Imperial is a good technical university from the UK, but not comparable to Oxbridge. So if the reputation in DE is compared, TUM / Imperial will be similar, as Imperial does not have an elite university reputation like Oxbridge. But of course the international reputation of the imperial is better.

But to be honest, the discussions here are always useless. TUM is a very good university with probably the greatest potential in DE, but is only international for certain areas such as CS Top20 and not in general.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 27, 2019:

WiWi Gast wrote on April 25, 2019:

THE World Ranking 2019: Imperial 9th, TUM 44th
QS World Ranking 2019: Imperial 8th place, TUM 61st place

In the years before that, the Imperial was consistently among the top 10, partly also among the top 5. In terms of reputation, TUM clearly ranks well behind Imperial. Nobody said that TUM was technically bad. Of course, things can also go uphill with TUM in the future, but you also have to draw boundaries somewhere with all the hype. It is also clear that the Imperial cannot achieve 100% the level of Oxford and Cambridge as a whole.

And nobody else said anything else? TUM is considered the best German (technical) university, Imperial is a good technical university from the UK, but not comparable to Oxbridge. So if the reputation in DE is compared, TUM / Imperial will be similar, as Imperial does not have an elite university reputation like Oxbridge. But of course the international reputation of the imperial is better.

But to be honest, the discussions here are always useless. TUM is a very good university with probably the greatest potential in DE, but is only international for certain areas such as CS Top20 and not in general.

Does it not apply. RWTH Aachen is considered to be the best German technical university.

And that you put “technical” in brackets has already discredited you.
TUM. Best German university ... LOL. Midfield - at best.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 27, 2019:

THE World Ranking 2019: Imperial 9th ​​place, TUM 44th place
QS World Ranking 2019: Imperial 8th place, TUM 61st place

In the years before that, the Imperial was consistently among the top 10, partly also among the top 5. In terms of reputation, TUM clearly ranks well behind Imperial. Nobody said that TUM was technically bad. Of course, things can also go uphill with TUM in the future, but you also have to draw boundaries somewhere with all the hype. It is also clear that the Imperial cannot achieve 100% the level of Oxford and Cambridge as a whole.

And nobody else said anything else? TUM is considered the best German (technical) university, Imperial is a good technical university from the UK, but not comparable to Oxbridge. So if the reputation in DE is compared, TUM / Imperial will be similar, as Imperial does not have an elite university reputation like Oxbridge. But of course the international reputation of the imperial is better.

But to be honest, the discussions here are always useless. TUM is a very good university with probably the greatest potential in DE, but is only international for certain areas such as CS Top20 and not in general.

Does it not apply. RWTH Aachen is considered to be the best German technical university.

And that you put “technical” in brackets has already discredited you.
TUM. Best German university ... LOL. Midfield - at best.

Then let's take a look at the most important international rankings:

  • Shanghai: TUM (2nd place behind Heidelberg), RWTH (15th-20th place)
  • QS: TUM (1st place), RWTH (7th place)
  • THE: TUM (2nd place behind LMU), RWTH (6th place)

One can therefore deny that TUM is generally the best German university, but it definitely belongs to the top 3 (TUM, Heidelberg, LMU) and is the best German technical university. I would call RWTH a solid top 10 and a top 3 technical university (TUM, KIT, RWTH).

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

THE World Ranking 2019: Imperial 9th ​​place, TUM 44th place
QS World Ranking 2019: Imperial 8th place, TUM 61st place

In the years before that, the Imperial was consistently among the top 10, partly also among the top 5. In terms of reputation, TUM clearly ranks well behind Imperial. Nobody said that TUM was technically bad. Of course, things can still go uphill with TUM in the future, but you also have to draw boundaries somewhere with all the hype. It is also clear that the Imperial cannot achieve 100% the level of Oxford and Cambridge as a whole.

And nobody else said anything else? TUM is considered the best German (technical) university, Imperial is a good technical university from the UK, but not comparable to Oxbridge. So if the reputation in DE is compared, TUM / Imperial will be similar, as Imperial does not have an elite university reputation like Oxbridge. But of course the international reputation of the imperial is better.

But to be honest, the discussions here are always useless. TUM is a very good university with probably the greatest potential in DE, but is only international for certain areas such as CS Top20 and not in general.

Does it not apply. RWTH Aachen is considered to be the best German technical university.

And that you put “technical” in brackets has already discredited you.
TUM. Best German university ... LOL. Midfield - at best.

Then let's take a look at the most important international rankings:

  • Shanghai: TUM (2nd place behind Heidelberg), RWTH (15th-20th place)
  • QS: TUM (1st place), RWTH (7th place)
  • THE: TUM (2nd place behind LMU), RWTH (6th place)

That TUM is generally the best German university can be denied, but it definitely belongs to the top 3 (TUM, Heidelberg, LMU) and is the best German technical university. I would describe RWTH as a solid top 10 and top 3 technical university (TUM, KIT, RWTH).

Thanks for the execution, but does not fit the thread.

@TE: TUM / ETH are both great, I would only go to WHU if you wanted to go to the IB.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

TUM is only so good because it was founded so early + location advantage.
RWTH, KIT and TUD are all worlds better than Garching.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

THE World Ranking 2019: Imperial 9th ​​place, TUM 44th place
QS World Ranking 2019: Imperial 8th place, TUM 61st place

In the years before that, the Imperial was consistently among the top 10, partly also among the top 5. In terms of reputation, TUM clearly ranks well behind Imperial. Nobody said that TUM was technically bad. Of course, things can still go uphill with TUM in the future, but you also have to draw boundaries somewhere with all the hype. It is also clear that the Imperial cannot achieve 100% the level of Oxford and Cambridge as a whole.

And nobody else said anything else? TUM is considered the best German (technical) university, Imperial is a good technical university from the UK, but not comparable to Oxbridge. So if the reputation in DE is compared, TUM / Imperial will be similar, as Imperial does not have an elite university reputation like Oxbridge. But of course the international reputation of the imperial is better.

But to be honest, the discussions here are always useless. TUM is a very good university with probably the greatest potential in DE, but is only international for certain areas such as CS Top20 and not in general.

Does it not apply. RWTH Aachen is considered to be the best German technical university.

And that you put “technical” in brackets has already discredited you.
TUM. Best German university ... LOL. Midfield - at best.

Then let's take a look at the most important international rankings:

  • Shanghai: TUM (2nd place behind Heidelberg), RWTH (15th-20th place)
  • QS: TUM (1st place), RWTH (7th place)
  • THE: TUM (2nd place behind LMU), RWTH (6th place)

That TUM is generally the best German university can be denied, but it definitely belongs to the top 3 (TUM, Heidelberg, LMU) and is the best German technical university. I would describe RWTH as a solid top 10 and top 3 technical university (TUM, KIT, RWTH).

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Do you always have to exaggerate so much? Neither Harvard, MIT or Oxford, etc., are worlds better than TUM. They are stronger, but not worlds apart. I think that TUM is almost closer to the best in the world than Darmstadt is at TUM.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

TUM is only so good because it was founded so early + location advantage.
RWTH, KIT and TUD are all worlds better than Garching.

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This is again a kind of German talk by people who have not seen the world, who live in their bubble ... As someone who has seen both the world's best and TUM: Yes, there are many subjects, even technical ones Area, worlds between TUM and the top group, especially when you compare them with Oxbridge. We don't even need to talk about the reputation. Practically everyone in the world knows Oxbridge. TUM is hardly known outside of Germany, if you ask someone in Oxford, they will know that there is probably a university in Munich, but TUM / LMU are sometimes not even noticed separately. Especially not in the USA.

The rankings also speak a clear language - TUM is miles away from the top 20, and the air is getting thinner and thinner and it is becoming much more difficult to make up positions. TUM is definitely closer to RWTH / LMU etc. than to HMSC, Oxford, Cambridge.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

Do you always have to exaggerate so much? Neither Harvard, MIT or Oxford, etc., are worlds better than TUM. They are stronger, but not worlds apart. I think that TUM is almost closer to the best in the world than Darmstadt is at TUM.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

TUM is only so good because it was founded so early + location advantage.
RWTH, KIT and TUD are all worlds better than Garching.

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What I like best is the statement that universities like TUM or LMU are not known. Cambridge, for example, has entered into a strategic partnership with the LMU, Imperial with TUM and the Berlin universities with Oxford. Of course, there is also enough joint research with absolutely top universities. In Germany, too, it is not the case that we only have better vocational schools. There are also professors who have chosen Munich and not MIT or Stanford. The universities in Germany are not that bad. But of course we don't have an absolute elite university in Germany. TUM is also in the top 20 worldwide in a few subjects. 50th place is no world for me. Universities like Mannheim are in 800th place if they have made it into the ranking. I would speak of worlds there.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

This is German talk again from people who have not seen the world, who live in their bubble ... As someone who has seen both the world's best and TUM: Yes, there are many subjects, even technical ones Area, worlds between TUM and the top group, especially when you compare them with Oxbridge. We don't even need to talk about the reputation. Practically everyone in the world knows Oxbridge. TUM is hardly known outside of Germany, if you ask someone in Oxford, they will know that there is probably a university in Munich, but TUM / LMU are sometimes not even noticed separately. Especially not in the USA.

The rankings also speak a clear language - TUM is miles away from the top 20, and the air is getting thinner and thinner and it is becoming much more difficult to make up positions. TUM is definitely closer to RWTH / LMU etc. than to HMSC, Oxford, Cambridge.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

Do you always have to exaggerate so much? Neither Harvard, MIT or Oxford, etc., are worlds better than TUM. They are stronger, but not worlds apart. I think that TUM is almost closer to the best in the world than Darmstadt is at TUM.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

TUM is only so good because it was founded so early + location advantage.
RWTH, KIT and TUD are all worlds better than Garching.

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WiWi Gast wrote on April 28, 2019:

I always like the> statement best that universities like TUM or LMU> are not known. Cambridge has> for example a strategic> partnership with the LMU,> Imperial with TUM and the Berlin universities with> Oxford.

That means practically nothing. A strategic partnership is little more than a signed MOU filled with hot air. There are tons of these partnerships. There are joint research projects with mixed research groups anyway. It doesn't change the branding - a lot of people in Oxford have never heard of TUM, I can confirm that firsthand (as I said - TUM and LMU are often lumped together as 'Munich University'). Interestingly enough, Heidelberg is again known practically everywhere.

Of course there is also enough> joint research with absolutely> top universities.

See above; but TUM / LMU are not overly represented there either, although I can only speak for Oxford.

In Germany it is not the case that we> only have better vocational schools.

... nobody said, for God's sake, of course you still get a very solid university education in Germany.

There are also professors who have chosen> Munich and not MIT or Stanford>.

E.g.?

The universities> in Germany are not that unusually bad. But of course> we don't have an absolute elite university in Germany. > TUM is also in the> Top20 worldwide in a few subjects. Place 50 are> no worlds for me. Universities like Mannheim are> in 800th place if they have> made it into the ranking. I would talk about worlds>.

Why are you comparing TUM with Mannheim? That doesn't make any sense at all. Take a look at RWTH and KIT, they are not far from TUM in the rankings. From rank 20 overall you also notice that hardly any new universities have penetrated in recent years, while it fluctuates strongly above this. But that rank 50 is of course closer to rank 100 than rank 10 should not surprise anyone.

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WiWi Gast wrote on April 29, 2019:

That means practically nothing. A strategic partnership is little more than a signed MOU filled with hot air. There are tons of these partnerships. There are joint research projects with mixed research groups anyway. It doesn't change anything in terms of branding - many people in Oxford have never heard of TUM, I can confirm that firsthand (as I said - TUM and LMU are often lumped together as 'Munich University'). Interestingly enough, Heidelberg is again known practically everywhere.

What is your motivation in every thread that TUM tries to discredit? It is always a "researcher at one of the world's best universities", Oxford, who tries to express the opinion of the international research elite with his personal anecdotes. I also did research abroad at very good universities and there they knew TUM in technical disciplines - if you study PoWi or Economics, it will of course be more difficult. I also like to refer to the Zeit interview with John Hennessy, ex-Stanford President, who names TUM as the only "excellent German university".

See above; but TUM / LMU are not overly represented there either, although I can only speak for Oxford.

That's right and Max Planck / Helmholtz is also a fun organization.

There are also professors who have chosen> Munich and not MIT or Stanford>.

E.g.?

Last year, for example, Sami Haddadin, who came to TUM despite calls from Stanford / MIT and is building the Munich School of Robotics and Machine Intelligence there. However, the TUM is certainly not the only one; many top German universities can put together attractive packages for top scientists, especially in conjunction with Helmholtz / Max-Planck. The only real problem is its attractiveness to foreign scientists.

Why are you comparing TUM with Mannheim? That doesn't make any sense at all. Take a look at RWTH and KIT, they are not far from TUM in the rankings. From rank 20 overall you also notice that hardly any new universities have penetrated in recent years, while it fluctuates strongly above this. But that rank 50 is of course closer to rank 100 than rank 10 should not surprise anyone.

In several technical subjects, like here in the forum, TUM has already been chewed through 100 times in the top 20, overall top 40-50. If she manages to make it into the top 20 in other disciplines, especially social sciences, the whole thing doesn't look so bad at all. RWTH and KIT are very good universities, but internationally really far from TUM and this is also reflected in the rankings.

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Then take a look at the Imperial College page. The partnership and cooperation with TUM is explicitly mentioned in strategy papers. This is of course also done because of the Brexit. But there is sure to be an intensive cooperation and will be expanded.

WiWi Gast wrote on April 29, 2019:

I always like the> statement best that universities like TUM or LMU> are not known. Cambridge has> for example a strategic> partnership with the LMU,> Imperial with TUM and the Berlin universities with> Oxford.

That means practically nothing. A strategic partnership is little more than a signed MOU filled with hot air. There are tons of these partnerships. There are joint research projects with mixed research groups anyway. It doesn't change anything in terms of branding - many people in Oxford have never heard of TUM, I can confirm that firsthand (as I said - TUM and LMU are often lumped together as 'Munich University'). Interestingly enough, Heidelberg is again known practically everywhere.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

Tell me colleague, how high must your inferiority complexes be if you need to revive a dead thread that has long been offtopic with an offtopic post? If you are satisfied with the TUM, then you shouldn't have to constantly look for self-affirmation in an anonymous forum where people can write all sorts of nonsense.

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TUM, ETH or WHU for Tech Entrepreneurship Masters?

WiWi Gast wrote on May 1st, 2019:

Tell me colleague, how high must your inferiority complexes be if you need to revive a dead thread that has long been offtopic with an offtopic post? If you are satisfied with the TUM, then you shouldn't have to constantly look for self-affirmation in an anonymous forum where people can write all sorts of nonsense.

I hope you mean the colleague “Researcher at one of the best universities in the world”, who apparently has a personal dislike for TUM (maybe not accepted?) And has revived the thread.

I don't know why every thread about TUM in this forum ends in an anonymous comparison. Apparently, TUM is currently very popular and polarizes at the same time - whether it is due to the inferiority complexes of others or the pushing of one's own university. In any case, I am very curious where the TUM journey will lead :-)

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