Which DMX song is your favorite

Light control with DMX control, touchscreen and faderwing

  • Hello everybody,

    For 2 years now I have been using DMX Control 3 about 5 times a year to control a few LED PARs and Fresnel lenses in smaller musicals. I only ever used a very small part of the software and mostly only pushed the dimmer up and down with the mouse live, I only programmed a que for a musical once. In the future, I would also like to use moving heads in musicals, or even change the light in time with a song.

    Last weekend I played around a little on a Hog 2 and used it to illuminate a smaller musical. A few fixed paths and colors were stored here for the moving heads, which could be played with a click of the mouse. I managed to program a few faders so that the stage turned red, for example, when I pulled a fader upwards (certain MHs move to the programmed point and change color to red). I was enthusiastic about this "comfortable" operation, and I would like to prepare such a system for my portable use.

    Now I have a few questions about it and after searching the forum for 2 hours yesterday evening I received a few suggestions.

    My dream: Faderwing (small DMX desk 12 or 24 channels) and touchscreen for selecting scenes

    Now I am wondering which DMXC version would be appropriate? I have seen that DMXC 2 will also be used in 2019. Once the system is up and running, I would not want to do any more Windows updates if everything is running. Which Windows would be optimal?

    Which interface would you recommend? Soldering skills are sufficient. However, I need a DMX in and out now the question ArtNet or USB arises:

    -I find the Nodle U1 very interesting and inexpensive.

    -The Showtec Net 2/3 is apparently not reliable.

    -The 4x RDM ArtNet Node from Ulrich Radig is also very interesting, but with housing and other items is around 250 €. Unfortunately, you can't assemble the board yourself, can you?

    Have I missed something else? Do you have a recommendation? Due to the big price difference to the 4xRDM, the Nodle U1 would be my favorite at the moment.

    Do you know a good DMX desk that has flash buttons in addition to faders and maybe 2 jog wheels for pan and tilt? Could I then set up this desk in DMXC so that it corresponds to my ideas?

    When it came to the touchscreen, I thought of the Asus VT168H or Ilyama T2252MSC, for example.

    Is this all feasible at all? I would be grateful for some tips or recommendations.

  • Hello!

    Here's a short summary of your questions:

    • In the long term, I recommend that you continue to work with DMXControl 3, because on the one hand you are more forward-looking and especially flexible on the operating system side (see the recently encountered problems with DMXControl 2) and on the software side with regard to DMXControl 3 (keywords: device groups and HAL in combination with changing light setups, effects engine and fanning for easier programming of cues, flexible soft desk / touch surface).
    • With DMXControl 3, Windows 10 is and should be used as the operating system in the long term (I will soon "upgrade" my light PC to Windows 10).
    • Ulrich Radig also has a 4-way Art-Net-Node without RDM in the program. This also fits into a Eurobox housing (a larger version of the housing of the Nodle U1) including the switching power supply.
    • I can't make any statements about a desk or MIDI controller at the moment. I also currently work a lot with the keyboard (also for the sake of convenience).
    • When it comes to the touchscreen, I'm so happy with Iiyama's one that I now have four of them.

    But all in all: is so doable.

    Many greetings, Stefan.

  • That sounds very promising.

    • Ulrich Radig also has a 4-way Art-Net-Node without RDM in the program. This also fits into a Eurobox housing (a larger version of the housing of the Nodle U1) including the switching power supply.

    Am I correct in assuming that the DMX-in function will then no longer be available? Then I would be limited to a midi controller, does this function have disadvantages compared to the DMX-in? Would you rather recommend an ArtNet interface or a USB interface? I don't think I need more than one output universe.

  • Ulrich Radig's 4-way Art-Net-Node also offers DMX-In. In that case it can only output 3 DMX universes. Switching is done manually on the circuit board.

    I personally use my Art-Net-Nodes not only because of the many DMX channels, but also because I can often simplify the cabling without having to use an additional splitter.

  • Oh, I completely overlooked that, I probably focused too much on the RDM board. Except for the switching converter, the board also looks very easy to assemble. I think that's the optimal solution then.

    Do you have a recommendation for a DMX desk with flash buttons and jog wheels for pan and tilt? Do you think a Stairville DMX Master would be sufficient? As an alternative, I found the Eurolite DMX Move Control 512 interesting, as it has more faders. Has anyone had any experience with these consoles?

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    Hi,

    you asked about the advantages / disadvantages of MIDI. MIDI has a disadvantage compared to DMX: It can only transmit 128 values ​​(7bit), DMX 256 values ​​(8bit). So if you want to set the brightness exactly, then DMX is more suitable. But, and here comes the big advantage of MIDI over DMX: MIDI knows very different types of controls natively. Be it a button, a fader or a jog wheel, their values ​​can easily be transmitted via MIDI. Therefore there are also MIDI consoles in all kinds of forms. Therefore I would always recommend a MIDI console for triggering cuelists etc. There are desks with many buttons, a couple of jog wheels (usually 2 or 4) and sometimes a couple of faders for cheap money. As of DMXControl 3.2 (which should appear soon), MIDI is also built in directly and you then have the option of linking everything via the new input assignment (also 3.2). With the station wagon there are a lot of possibilities.

    About the difference between USB / Art-Net: Both (if you use an active USB interface) are basically comparable in terms of their functions. The only difference is that you are more flexible with the Art-Net-Node when it comes to positioning, but it can also be a bit more complex to configure until it is stable.

    Best wishes

    JP

    in the worst-case scenario, Gaffa simply sticks everything, because Gaffa is your friend and helper

  • Thanks for the information.

    There are desks with many buttons, a couple of jog wheels (usually 2 or 4) and sometimes a couple of faders for cheap money.

    Could you give me an example of a controller?

    Somehow I only found DJ midi controllers with jog wheels that are designed in such a way that they control the software Traktor, for example. Is there also a controller such as the Akai APC mini only with 2 jog wheels? Does anyone know a controller that is structured like this? I haven't found anything yet.

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    Somehow I only found DJ midi controllers with jog wheels that are designed in such a way that they control the software Traktor, for example.

    so what I have a Traktor Kontrol F1 as my MIDI console That works great (but it's not that interesting for you because there are no wheels. NI has a software called Controller Editor with which you can set the MIDI behavior of each individual control. But you also want a few endless- Encoders as jog wheels right?

    in the worst-case scenario, Gaffa simply sticks everything, because Gaffa is your friend and helper

  • I have thought of such (I hope they are jog wheels) like on the Eurolite DMX Move Control 512. The Hog 2 has similar wheels and I found it quite comfortable to control pan and tilt. Better than with faders.

  • Just mentioned in passing: a 3D mouse is even better than endless encoder wheels. DMXControl 3 actually works together with the 3D CAD mice from 3Dconnexion, which means that moving heads can be positioned very precisely with a little practice.

    To make another goal-oriented contribution: in which cases would you want to use the encoder wheels? For programming, during the live show?

  • Definitely for programming. In live operation, they were pretty spongy at the Hog, but maybe that's because I lack practice.

  • When you say "program", do you want to set the positions using the encoder wheels or do you have further steps in mind? I ask so explicitly because I might want to check something again before I say a definite "works" or "does not work".

  • Hello everybody,

    I still have no questions about the new DMX control version, are motor faders supported in the new midi interface and the control of several layers in order to manipulate 16 or 32 functions with 8 faders, for example?

    Thank you for your great work.

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